Victor Enduro B44EA2312
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The narrow yokes go with the 7" single sided brake, the wider yokes go with the 8" single sided brake and also the 7" Twin leading shoe brake. So which set you can use will be set by the brake you use.
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Yes thanks kommando, I think I have the front end totally sorted now. The pile of parts I started with didn't exactly fit together. I had a good set of Triumph style forks with the wider yokes but a wheel with the threaded axle from the 67 Vic. I had most of the parts for 1 Vic fork leg in a box. I also had a complete Norton Commando front end and a pair of bent Norton stanchions I first believed belonged to the Vic. Then I also bought a rusty old set of forks from something really strange. I haven't seen any BSA with the fender mounting tab on the front of the lower slider. I knew nothing about Brit bikes before I bought all this junk so its been worth the money just for the education. I'm waiting for new stanchions and I've ordered a new rim and spokes for a 21" front wheel conversion. This Vic is getting full blown knobbies. I'm still missing the fork shrouds that cover the springs. The 441GP has awesome aluminum ones that I'd like to replicate. There must be something of the same ID I can substitute. It's getting an oval number plate instead of a head light. There are a couple of websites with vintage MX plastic I'm drooling over.
I had a closer look at my replacement swing arm, at first I thought it looked ok but now that everything else is starting to look shiney I decided to repaint it to.
I had a closer look at my replacement swing arm, at first I thought it looked ok but now that everything else is starting to look shiney I decided to repaint it to.
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It a good feeling bringing junk back to life again. Keep up the good work.
Doug
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Re: Victor Enduro B44EA2312
A65 from the mid '60s, some C15 (C15S?) and Goldies I think all had these....Simmy wrote:I haven't seen any BSA with the fender mounting tab on the front of the lower slider.
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they look good Simmy, nothin' worse than a foot slippin' off
steve


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I agree, the rubber pegs from BSA look like an accident in waiting if there's any mud on your boot. Does anyone know when serrated pegs first appeared?
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Re: Victor Enduro B44EA2312
Yes Simmy it looks bent to me
mine looks to be at 90 deg to the pivot bose 


Re: Victor Enduro B44EA2312
Thanks Barry. A little heat on it and it should bend back easy enough. I'm not sure how this got bent like this?
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if it were me i would be looking for some pictures of another B44 before i started heating and bending things.
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Re: Victor Enduro B44EA2312
Your right Steve. I didn't notice its a B44 mine is a B50 

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Apply heat and bend to 90, this is the correct figure for all the bikes that used this rear brake lever back to the Competition C15.
Its normally the foot pad end that gets bent, into the primary where it cracks the case or wears a groove.
Its normally the foot pad end that gets bent, into the primary where it cracks the case or wears a groove.
Re: Victor Enduro B44EA2312
the fuel tank was scraped clean of all the rubber foam it sits on. I thought I'd see if the part called up in the manual was still available. It was. The tank now sits exactly as intended. The right side of the tank has survived some adventures. Still looks ok, just patina as they say. The left side looks better.
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looking good great job! regards midgie.
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I decided to change the rear wheel bearings and entered a land of frustration. You can read about my trials & mishaps in Tech or click here:
http://b50.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5477
Much thanks to Gordon in NC for the help.
Here's a few pics of a Hoser's bike.
I located 2' of each of the 3 sizes of rubber oil hose required, the 1/4" and 5/16" were available from any automotive supplier but they don't carry 3/8". I had to go to a hose specialist for that one.
I thought it was strange that all the lines are different sizes, however it's a fool proof set up as each hose fits only it's 2 nipples. Notice the heat shield spring on the 3/8" hose coming from the tank, I found it amongst the parts. That hose rests pretty close to the exhaust.
I finally accepted the paint finish on the oil tank. I kept ending up with over spray or a run somewhere it would show. After the 5th coat I give up. Nothing a few stickers can't cover. I shined up the handle bar controls I found in one of the boxes. The front brake lever is Magura, it even has a rubber boot still intact.
http://b50.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5477
Much thanks to Gordon in NC for the help.
Here's a few pics of a Hoser's bike.
I located 2' of each of the 3 sizes of rubber oil hose required, the 1/4" and 5/16" were available from any automotive supplier but they don't carry 3/8". I had to go to a hose specialist for that one.
I thought it was strange that all the lines are different sizes, however it's a fool proof set up as each hose fits only it's 2 nipples. Notice the heat shield spring on the 3/8" hose coming from the tank, I found it amongst the parts. That hose rests pretty close to the exhaust.
I finally accepted the paint finish on the oil tank. I kept ending up with over spray or a run somewhere it would show. After the 5th coat I give up. Nothing a few stickers can't cover. I shined up the handle bar controls I found in one of the boxes. The front brake lever is Magura, it even has a rubber boot still intact.
Simmy
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I bought a used 59T rear sprocket off e-bay. I checked with my supplier and he couldn't find any of these monsters from his suppliers. I really should have mounted a smaller front sprocket as they are cheaper and available brand new on e-bay, right down to 12T . I wasn't sure how small you can go without possible interference. The stock front sprocket I have is still good so I used it. At the time I was assembling the motor I figured suitable gearing is my least worry, If I ever get it running I'll worry about it then. Then logic set in and I concluded the stock gearing would be way too high for the dirt. Now even if it runs like a turd it might still wheelie! 

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Keep up the good work. I,m really enjoying this thread
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Thanks Chamber, I'll be following your post with interest for sure. Had some time this weekend to start assembling things. All the real work is in the small details, but once it starts coming together it sure is rewarding.


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Best thing to do with the fuel line is ,
place it in really hot water until it becomes pliable ,then shape it to fit.
Cheers
Malc
place it in really hot water until it becomes pliable ,then shape it to fit.
Cheers
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Simmy wrote:gas line![]()
Simmy.....that gas line union/nut should be free to turn. Are you sure it's just not gummed up???? Try a cleaning solvent...carb cleaner or such and see if you can free up the nut. BSA was a LOT smarter than you might think. BSA was a working man's motorcycle and designed so the working man could keep it on the road.
Good luck.....it sure is looking good..

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Reason: square brackets make the BBCodes work :)
Reason: square brackets make the BBCodes work :)
Re: Victor Enduro B44EA2312
Gordon, the screwed union end threads on to the petcock perfectly. It's just the curvature of the hose at the moment is wrong and feels like it will shatter if I try to bend it to the shape needed. I will try Malcolm's advise of boiling it in water to soften it up. My other concern is ensuring a leak proof seal at the carb. I'm sure I can push the hose on to the nipple attached to the carb but I have doubts about it not leaking. A simple rubber hose with 2 clamps at each end would have been better in my opinion, seems to work for every other bike out there today.
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simmy.....okay I musta misread your post???? I don't know how others do it, but I turn the petcock in the other direction.
Really though....I don't use old lines...oil or gas. The stuff is pretty cheap and I do the simple hose with a clamp at each end.
Take care.....Gordon in NC
Really though....I don't use old lines...oil or gas. The stuff is pretty cheap and I do the simple hose with a clamp at each end.
Take care.....Gordon in NC
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I just unpacked 2 new alloy fenders for my project. I need someone out there with a 441GP to measure how much the rear fender protrudes past the frame rail loop. I can eye it up from some pics on the net but the actual measurement would be appreciated.
I see that gas line spigotts and nuts to fit the BSA petcock are available. I'm going to order this so that a standard rubber gas line with hose clamps can be used.
I see that gas line spigotts and nuts to fit the BSA petcock are available. I'm going to order this so that a standard rubber gas line with hose clamps can be used.
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Distance from frame loop to end of rear mudguard on a GP is 7" - centre to tip.
Mike
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That 7" dimension seems short Mike. Here's a pic at 7" overhang and another at about 11-1/2".
I've shown the original sketch of the 441GP at the bottom of this post for reference. My fender has a flared edge on the tip which gives it a quick bob Harley look when mounted up short. Not so obvious when the fender is used full length and it hangs down under a license plate. Maybe I'll switch it around and have a plain edge like the BSA sketch.
I ripped the original seat apart out of curiosity. Really it wasn't in bad shape but the foam was crumblier than burnt toast.
I'd like to fab a carriage to hold my new aluminum seat the same way the BSA seat mounts, with the bracket at the front and bolted to the shocks at the back.
I've shown the original sketch of the 441GP at the bottom of this post for reference. My fender has a flared edge on the tip which gives it a quick bob Harley look when mounted up short. Not so obvious when the fender is used full length and it hangs down under a license plate. Maybe I'll switch it around and have a plain edge like the BSA sketch.
I ripped the original seat apart out of curiosity. Really it wasn't in bad shape but the foam was crumblier than burnt toast.
I'd like to fab a carriage to hold my new aluminum seat the same way the BSA seat mounts, with the bracket at the front and bolted to the shocks at the back.
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Still loving this thread, just read it all over again 

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Mudguard length - hmmmmmm.
Go to www.gpvictor.com to see a picture of my bike off which the 7" measurement was taken.
Look ok?
The GP mudguard is a specific item to my understanding - a pile of which resided in the Comps dept. for works supported riders to pick up in quantity when passing through.
They measure 8" x 24" and have a wire bead all round and despite what the man in Birmingham says, who claims to know everything about mudguards, they were not made in the thirties!
Now that means there is very little scope for sticking 11" out the back but of course with a non-standard mudguard you can do what you like. My experience with motocrossers is that you need them fairly short 1) to reduce fractures, and 2) to throw as much s**t as possible at whomsoever is behind you.
I think the picture of what, I agree is a longer item than I describe, is more of a drawing than a photo of a real bike - I could be wrong.
Chac'un a son gout.
Mike
Go to www.gpvictor.com to see a picture of my bike off which the 7" measurement was taken.
Look ok?
The GP mudguard is a specific item to my understanding - a pile of which resided in the Comps dept. for works supported riders to pick up in quantity when passing through.
They measure 8" x 24" and have a wire bead all round and despite what the man in Birmingham says, who claims to know everything about mudguards, they were not made in the thirties!
Now that means there is very little scope for sticking 11" out the back but of course with a non-standard mudguard you can do what you like. My experience with motocrossers is that you need them fairly short 1) to reduce fractures, and 2) to throw as much s**t as possible at whomsoever is behind you.
I think the picture of what, I agree is a longer item than I describe, is more of a drawing than a photo of a real bike - I could be wrong.
Chac'un a son gout.
Mike
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Thanks again for the post Mike. Nice site. I heard the GP had a wider fender but 8", that must be rare to find.
As with your suggestion I will cut it to whatever looks best to me. This thing may eventually end up back on the road so I might need enough real estate to mount a tail light eventually.
I have time to think about it.
Mounting the 21" front fender is going to take some custom stays. That will be another project.
I assembled the steering stem today. I managed to salvage both bearing cups & the top cone from another set of yokes. 40 new 1/4" balls and a new bottom cone and new fork pinch bolts.
As with your suggestion I will cut it to whatever looks best to me. This thing may eventually end up back on the road so I might need enough real estate to mount a tail light eventually.
I have time to think about it.
Mounting the 21" front fender is going to take some custom stays. That will be another project.
I assembled the steering stem today. I managed to salvage both bearing cups & the top cone from another set of yokes. 40 new 1/4" balls and a new bottom cone and new fork pinch bolts.
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Simmy...you get an ata boy for the fuel line fix.
THANK YOU for the present......and no, I didn't have one...my 22 year old son took my last one and he's kept it.
Thanks again......take care, Gordon in NC
THANK YOU for the present......and no, I didn't have one...my 22 year old son took my last one and he's kept it.
Thanks again......take care, Gordon in NC
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The forum language is English"Gordon wrote:you get an ata boy for the fuel line fix

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"ata boy" is colonial English...
[Do we need to translate for you Minety?]

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Re: Victor Enduro B44EA2312
I finally found time to return to the project now that Xmas and New Year's are done. It's no longer 20 below so the garage is a little more comfortable.
I built up enough nerve to attack my new rear fender. I settled on 12" overhang out the back. I took my time and the results look good.
I built up enough nerve to attack my new rear fender. I settled on 12" overhang out the back. I took my time and the results look good.
Simmy
67/68 B44 Vic
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no update for the Vic but I just posted some pics of my other project this winter.
go here if you're curious. My bike is posted Jan.24th, 5:19 PM
http://b50.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=1 ... 3&start=80
go here if you're curious. My bike is posted Jan.24th, 5:19 PM
http://b50.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=1 ... 3&start=80
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Wow, my last post was Jan so time for another update on the Vic.
I had a choice to make mounting the seat. Most pics of Victors I see on the net that have solo seats have them mounted directly to the frame. This probably looks the best but since I'm fairly tall it looked like it was going to sit too low for me. I thought I'd mount the solo seat similar to the way BSA mounted the stock seat. I utilized the front clip from the original BSA seat and with a new bracket I fabricated, it is bolted it to the shock mounts in the rear. This closely maintains the stock seat height. That's about it for now. Once I have the battery box done I can install the wiring.
With the chain in place I played with the gear box. So far so good as it snicks into gear like a new tranny.
I still have not opened the carb so that is still to do also.
I had a choice to make mounting the seat. Most pics of Victors I see on the net that have solo seats have them mounted directly to the frame. This probably looks the best but since I'm fairly tall it looked like it was going to sit too low for me. I thought I'd mount the solo seat similar to the way BSA mounted the stock seat. I utilized the front clip from the original BSA seat and with a new bracket I fabricated, it is bolted it to the shock mounts in the rear. This closely maintains the stock seat height. That's about it for now. Once I have the battery box done I can install the wiring.
With the chain in place I played with the gear box. So far so good as it snicks into gear like a new tranny.
I still have not opened the carb so that is still to do also.
Simmy
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i'm likin' it
good onya Simmy
steve

good onya Simmy

steve
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just hope it dos not bracke from the vibrations - as mine was doing....Simmy wrote:new coil mounting bracket.
now it is fitted with rubber patches underneath the screws, - problem solved.
beat
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Looking great