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tank decals

Post by 2manyrides » Sun May 10, 2009 4:19 pm

Does anyone have specs as to placement of the tank decals on a 72 SS?
I'm thinking of getting this set. 4" X 4 1/4".
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Re: tank decals

Post by minetymenace » Mon May 11, 2009 2:45 am

They look close...

$10 buy it now seems a bit steep, have you tried here for $3, or here for $3.75
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Re: tank decals

Post by b50root » Mon May 11, 2009 7:28 am

Why not ask our decal maker Rhino???
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Re: tank decals

Post by 2manyrides » Mon May 11, 2009 4:17 pm

Mintey, very nice links to stickers.
Thanks Rickard, Rhino...
More than price my concern is the placement. Specs for placement anyone?

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Re: tank decals

Post by 2manyrides » Wed Jul 15, 2009 10:58 pm

OK, I'm going to back up in discussing the decal placement of this thread. But I'd still like to get from some one, the where abouts of proper placement. And Rhino, (king of vinyl), I could use some pointers as to methods of application. (I did install some and didn't like the placement, got some fingerprints under them, removed them), See later photos.

Here's my story...
I have this midnight blue paint scheme that was painted in 1984. I actualy had two tanks, four side covers and four fenders painted back then. The extras are still in storage as I've never needed to use them yet.
tk1.jpg
I'd like to get and use a little magnetic tank bag and don't want to scratch or dull the paint on either tank. So I got out one of the 2manytanks I have, got matching paint at the autobody store I originaly purchased from, had them put it in an arrosol can, and I am going to do a rattle can job. This tank is going to have graphics simular to stock diamentions. (although wrong colors) It can be used as a utility tank with no big fear of damage to the presious original equipment.

I had asked if there were any diamentions for the decals on this board...appearently not.
As I sanded down one of the 2manytanks with a wonderful 70's green metalic job I found the original paint and stickers had been painted over!
I measured it in a rough shade tree mechanic sort of way and continued to sand it down. Had to fix a forks-into-tank dent on the left side, but other than that this tank is in very good shape
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more to come...
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Re: tank decals

Post by 2manyrides » Wed Jul 15, 2009 11:38 pm

Having noted general measurements I continued to sand her down.
tk6.jpg
I had sanded too far before I realized I needed the decal placement specs, but was still able to get a rough measurement.
tk7.jpg
I sealed it up with epoxy primer. I set it aside and have yet to paint it. I'll show you guys how that's coming along when I do.
tk8.jpg
I have not ever done auto body or paint so this is new to me. But I need to test my skills....
see next post.
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Re: tank decals

Post by 2manyrides » Wed Jul 15, 2009 11:51 pm

I got out yet another of the 2manytanks to use to test my skills. First it's a check to lay out the graphics with a pencil. Not all that easy to do! A few rough scribe lines, and a taping off by eye produced this wonderful yellow over slightly prepared, old runny clear+black coat on top of another shade of 70's metalic green.
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Now it was time to test my skills at pinstriping!
I had bought gold which I intended to use on the final product. I found the gold to be too thin, my hand to be too unsteady. I put a second coat on to deepen it up, but that's just not acceptable!
Test, test, test...
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Re: tank decals

Post by 2manyrides » Thu Jul 16, 2009 12:19 am

Still with me?

Ok, I sanded down the yellow and gold and once again checked the over stock of old rustolium paint cans on the shelf to see which ones had enough paint to do another test run of painting graphics.
Turned out I had lots of black, some white, and a bit of blue.
tk13.jpg
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And if There is no way I'm going to be steady at pinstriping, how about taping?
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I like it's looks with out the blue stripe. That stripe is a bit narrow. I may go wider than original when I do the real thing.
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Re: tank decals

Post by 2manyrides » Thu Jul 16, 2009 12:58 am

Now for the decals/vinyls/stickers...

I had put the test tank on a bike to see where a level line could be drawn in relation to the floor. This is what I came up with. Looks funky.
tk20.jpg
As well on the right side there is no room for error. Due to the two decals being slanted slightly,
I believe you need more than 4 and a half inches to put them in! Look at the photo of the right side of the tank, it does not fit well there.
tk21.jpg
I took the vinyls off and clear coated it. that's enough on the paint skills testing. When I begin again it will be on the real thing.
I have a second set of stickers, but will I use them? Any one with guidence?
tk22.jpg
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I will be painting the real thing with my matching midnight blue for my SS. I was going to do a white sprayed on pinstripe over dark red bar. But having liked the look of the white on black, I may do red pinstripe over white bar.
I intend to make the side stripe wider to accomidate the sticker better, but still may not do a sticker at all.
The paint I will use is some kind of epoxy paint I had them fill into a rattle cans. When I paint the midnight blue, I'm told I need to tape off and spray the next color with in 24 hours or I'll have to wait for an extended period.
I will then clear coat that, let it dry for the next phase, stickers and pinstripes, one more clear coat.
All the testing is done. Next it's the real thing to;
#1 match the blue on my road bike,
#2 have some graphics, instead of my solid blue,
#3 have a utility tank I don't need to worry about scratching,
(was supposed to be cheap) That paint is $16.32 a can!
As well, another goal was to let people learn for themselfs as I pull up, and they glance at it, and they ask, "what kind of bike is that?"
In the old days we used to pull on the leg of people who asked that. We'd say it was a H*nda built for the austrailian market. Many folk bit on that!
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Re: tank decals

Post by minetymenace » Thu Jul 16, 2009 1:59 pm

Brave man, well done. I can't finish anything, so I entrust paintwork to someone who know (or says they know) what they are doing...

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Re: tank decals

Post by 2manyrides » Fri Jul 17, 2009 12:18 am

minetymenace wrote:Brave man, well done.
"Australian H*nda" :laugh
That's it exactly!
"what kind of bike is that?
An Austrailian H*nda I reply.
(Strange look on their faces)

Oh yes with these test runs I have acheived an "orange peel-less" paintjob.

The norm used to be... add a little more, maybe alittle more...
Then it's becomes obvious that I'll have to go for the crinkle paint look!

My paint store tells me crinkling has to do with compatabilities of brands and types of paint. As well as dry time. With the auto paint I will use, you paint the next coat with in 24 hours or wait days. That means I'll need to paint the solid color, tape it off and paint the 2nd color, then clearcoat it all in one day. Then it'll sit for a week and the vinyl and pin stripes will go on, then a final clear coat. They say not to get it too thick, or ir will chip easy.

On the "real thing",
I had fixed the dent, primed it and spayed a scratch coat with bargan basement primer.
Then went to the paint store only to be told it should be sanded off and reprimed with epoxy primer.
Another factor, other than sealing it, was to use a product impervious to gasoline.
tk24.jpg
Some one else's choice of color and vinyl
tk25.jpg
hardware paint had to be sanded off
tk26.jpg
epoxy primer seals it up
The primer does not air dry. There is a knob that gets depressed on the bottom of the spay can that releases a catalyst into the paint. This renders any leftovers to be useless the next day.
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Re: tank decals

Post by 2manyrides » Sun Aug 30, 2009 4:45 pm

Up date on the test tank paint job;
The paint has cured for a month. I put a set of new petcocks on it, and installed it on the TR5MX.
The hardware store paint shows dullness where the magnets of my tankbag sat after only 30 miles of B50 vibration.
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I hope the epoxy clear I'll be using on the next tank paint job holds up better than this rust-oleum clear paint did!
Here's the bag on the tank. It was virtualy empty.
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Re: tank decals

Post by minetymenace » Sun Aug 30, 2009 7:26 pm

I've got some magnetic hooks in my van, I stick them inside on the roof. It is amazing how much ferrus stuff sticks to the outside opposite the magnets. I think I'd put some felt between the tank bag magnets and the tank, then hopfully any airborne iron will stick between the bag and the felt, rather than the bearing surface between tank an bag.
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Re: dulling tank paint with magneta

Post by 2manyrides » Sun Aug 30, 2009 11:13 pm

Thanks Minety, but look closely. Those magnets are encased. This bag is only a few days old. The underside of the bag has a very soft foam-like surface. Still, six magnets left their mark.
I have other magnetic bags that are rougher underneath yet have not damged factory paint on a
77 Y :laugh ha.
But remember this is the "test tank"
I'm hoping that the high quality automotive epoxy paint will hold up better on the next paint job.
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Re: tank decals

Post by 2manyrides » Mon Sep 07, 2009 11:23 pm

Yesterday I rode the SS up that Foresthill road again. Then I came back and did some paint on the "real thing"
It didn't go too well in the long run. I didn't like the color match to my midnight blue. It needed sanding and I sanded through. I'll need more paint.
Future posts on this subject will be in a new thread in the "paint" section.
For now...
I might as well use the test tank for a labor day ride...
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Re: tank decals

Post by b50root » Tue Sep 08, 2009 6:24 am

Nice. How did you solve it with the wind nice?? Sound realy great now. What gearing do you have??

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Re: tank decals

Post by flower pot racing » Tue Sep 08, 2009 1:30 pm

nice video.
Looks like you have a 'left hand drive', export model.....!

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Re: tank decals

Post by 2manyrides » Wed Sep 09, 2009 3:20 am

b50root wrote:Nice. How did you solve it with the wind noise?? Sounds realy great now. What gearing do you have??

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I put a piece of tape on the microphone. It cut down on wind and increased the sounds of the running camera. (the camera uses a 156 mb CD as a medium)

Gearing...
This one's 17X53 (darn, I have to run a 1/2 link), But also, that's the MX transmission!

Isn't that the same final drive, yet closer ratios between gears? 1st+2nd gear seem to be real close.
In my town they made a law that the max speed with in the city limits is 40 MPH. So it's wonderful there. It's extremely cofortable ticking along at 40 and can be lugged down to 25 in 4th gear. Although I've had it up to 73 MPH winding her up, out on the road you drive 55-58, give it bursts up to 63.
Out on dirt roads with ruts and potholes...
Let's just say it's perfect due to the suspension limits.

Recently I created a quick change alternative rear wheel and chain for the MX. Takes about 10 or 15 minutes to switch to 17X47, stock gearing on an SS.
It seemed to give me an extra 10MPH through out all the gears, I did sustain 70MPH on the freeway for a while. After the highway trip I had used it for was over, I switched back to 17X53.
This is my old dirt bike,,,now street legal after 33 years in the dirt. Just didn't feel right going 70 on the highway. The SS does.

Here's my quick change wheel... has a WM2 rim
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Re: tank decals

Post by 2manyrides » Wed Sep 09, 2009 3:33 am

flower pot racing wrote:nice video.
Looks like you have a 'left hand drive', export model.....!
Thanks, Errr, I think.....Left hand drive, left hand drive...export model....
There's a joke here I haven't figured out!
Oh might be this?
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Re: tank decals

Post by b50root » Wed Sep 09, 2009 9:27 am

Yes lost your sidecar. :laugh :laugh :laugh

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