A kicker that actually folds away?

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A kicker that actually folds away?

Post by Shawn_Mc » Thu Apr 23, 2020 2:37 am

Does anyone make a kick lever that actually folds out of the way? The kicker on my 71' B25 literally sits right in the path to the foot peg.

I'm not opposed to breaking out the torch and reshaping it, but is it cast iron? Can I actually bend the thing without having it shatter or something (assuming it's glowing red hot)
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Re: A kicker that actually folds away?

Post by Grouty » Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:55 am

PES make a brilliant kick lever.
For the first time in about 10 years I have been able to get all of my right foot on the foot peg of the CCM.
Not cheap, but worth every penny (cent :shock: )
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Re: A kicker that actually folds away?

Post by FGF » Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:59 am

Hi Shawn ,

i did it , but i didn't heat it enough and it cracked.
it has been welded and has broken after a short use .
i 've bought a new one...

be careful
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Re: A kicker that actually folds away?

Post by eebtr7 » Thu Apr 23, 2020 1:50 pm

Hokey smoke, Bullwinkle's! Now if we're talking about the folding lever on the kick starter arm, the approved method back in the 'good-ol'-days' was to remove the lever from the arm, then grind away on the corner to allow the lever to fold farther inward. Thus the lever does not touch the inside of your leg, yet folds out to it's normal position for starting.

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Re: A kicker that actually folds away?

Post by Shawn_Mc » Thu Apr 23, 2020 6:13 pm

There's a Trials unit on BSA Unit Singles. He lists the MX part too, but none in stock. The trials part looks quite a bit longer.

It's pretty expensive, but I really dont see an alternative...

The stock kicker location is horrific. I cant believe I ever rode it as hard as I did as a kid, like that.

If you could rotate it forward on a spline, it'd be fine.

Is the PES part like the MX piece? I cant find it anywhere on the Web.
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Re: A kicker that actually folds away?

Post by johnu » Fri Apr 24, 2020 12:52 am

Seems like the stocker just sticks out way to fa, no need for all that clearance. Could almost be a straight arm!
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Re: A kicker that actually folds away?

Post by Shawn_Mc » Fri Apr 24, 2020 2:46 am

johnu wrote:
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Seems like the stocker just sticks out way to fa, no need for all that clearance. Could almost be a straight arm!
It could. The real issue is where it's indexed on the shaft and the fact that you cant change were it's placed because they used that wedge pin instead of a spline. They saved some money there.

I ordered that trials unit from Unit Singles. See how long it takes to get here, with all this idiotic BS happening.
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Re: A kicker that actually folds away?

Post by minetymenace » Fri Apr 24, 2020 9:59 am

Shawn_Mc wrote:Is the PES part like the MX piece? I cant find it anywhere on the Web.
If you go to this page, and do a search (Ctrl + F) for "Kickstart lever" you should get 8 results, included is this for the B50 and there are some with splined shafts (splined quadrant needed, but then you can use a variety of jap kickers)

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Re: A kicker that actually folds away?

Post by Shawn_Mc » Fri Apr 24, 2020 3:20 pm

minetymenace wrote:
Fri Apr 24, 2020 9:59 am
Shawn_Mc wrote:Is the PES part like the MX piece? I cant find it anywhere on the Web.
If you go to this page, and do a search (Ctrl + F) for "Kickstart lever" you should get 8 results, included is this for the B50 and there are some with splined shafts (splined quadrant needed, but then you can use a variety of jap kickers)

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Well, shit.
I went to PES and searched and didn't find anything....I would have ordered that lever in a heart beat... :oops:

That search function is finicky. The difference is kickstart vs. kick start... <937
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Re: A kicker that actually folds away?

Post by johnu » Fri Apr 24, 2020 5:59 pm

minetymenace wrote:
Fri Apr 24, 2020 9:59 am
Shawn_Mc wrote:Is the PES part like the MX piece? I cant find it anywhere on the Web.
If you go to this page, and do a search (Ctrl + F) for "Kickstart lever" you should get 8 results, included is this for the B50 and there are some with splined shafts (splined quadrant needed, but then you can use a variety of jap kickers)

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Re: A kicker that actually folds away?

Post by Momus » Thu May 28, 2020 12:02 pm

Shawn_Mc wrote:
Fri Apr 24, 2020 3:20 pm
minetymenace wrote:
Fri Apr 24, 2020 9:59 am
Shawn_Mc wrote:Is the PES part like the MX piece? I cant find it anywhere on the Web.
If you go to this page, and do a search (Ctrl + F) for "Kickstart lever" you should get 8 results, included is this for the B50 and there are some with splined shafts (splined quadrant needed, but then you can use a variety of jap kickers)

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Well, shit.
I went to PES and searched and didn't find anything....I would have ordered that lever in a heart beat... :oops:

That search function is finicky. The difference is kickstart vs. kick start... <937
I'm with you. That site PES site is hopeless if you are trying to locate an accessory part.
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Re: A kicker that actually folds away?

Post by minetymenace » Thu May 28, 2020 12:21 pm

To search a web page (like the PES price list), hit Ctrl+"F" and you will get a search box up so you can search the page (part number or text)............
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Re: A kicker that actually folds away?

Post by Momus » Thu May 28, 2020 3:26 pm

minetymenace wrote:
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To search a web page (like the PES price list), hit Ctrl+"F" and you will get a search box up so you can search the page (part number or text)............
That's the problem..
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Re: A kicker that actually folds away?

Post by twinshocker » Thu May 28, 2020 3:39 pm

You can also go to "catalogues" then "CCM " and you see all the exploded views.
There you can click on a part number and it will list you the stock and modified PES parts if available

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Re: A kicker that actually folds away?

Post by homebrew123 » Thu May 28, 2020 7:11 pm

Terry Weedy (Avery Products) does a very good folding kickstart cranked for either Trials with large crank or MX with smaller crank, they are a decent length as well, longer than some, which gives you better lever and mechanical advantage. He can also offer alloy topped kickstarts but not sure how strong they would be on a B50 but would be alright for B25. He is a very decent chap to deal with, but a bit old school and prefers you to send a cheque, but I have had loads of stuff off him and he has never once let the cheque clear before sending the item, he has always sent the part by return post. And if you ever have a problem with anything he sends a replacement straight away, I can't fault the chap.
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Re: A kicker that actually folds away?

Post by Momus » Thu May 28, 2020 8:22 pm

twinshocker wrote:
Thu May 28, 2020 3:39 pm
You can also go to "catalogues" then "CCM " and you see all the exploded views.
There you can click on a part number and it will list you the stock and modified PES parts if available
As I said its as clunky as.

What if you don't know what you are looking for?

PES needs to list upgrades for the various models not hide them in an arcane, almost 50 years old parts system for an obscure make.

His office girl can be pretty brusque regarding enquiries. :laugh
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Re: A kicker that actually folds away?

Post by twinshocker » Thu May 28, 2020 10:15 pm

His office girl spends most of the day at a lathe or milling machine.
seriously ! :mrgreen:

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Re: A kicker that actually folds away?

Post by minetymenace » Fri May 29, 2020 9:41 am

Momus wrote:What if you don't know what you are looking for?
I suggest you don't go looking for it at PES!

They are not bread heads driven by making lots of money by selling stuff, and they can sell all they make, so if you are expecting them to "serve you", think again. If you don't like it, frown at their web site and go elsewhere, its no skin off their nose....but they are nice people passionate about the products they make and how they are made. They do make some very well engineered bits, so if you want some of that stuff you may have to swallow your pride.

If they had a full time bod on the desk, who was polite and customer facing, you would probably feel happy every time you called, but they don't........ so don't expect to have smoke blown up your Ar$£ by the guy (or gel) on the tools.
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Post by minetymenace » Fri May 29, 2020 9:48 am

homebrew123, where did you get that exhaust?
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Re: A kicker that actually folds away?

Post by homebrew123 » Fri May 29, 2020 8:41 pm

No it's not mine, it is a picture off Terry Weedy's website showing the kickstarts, but I bet Terry makes them or knows where they are made.

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Re: A kicker that actually folds away?

Post by Momus » Sat May 30, 2020 1:42 pm

:laugh
minetymenace wrote:
Fri May 29, 2020 9:41 am
Momus wrote:What if you don't know what you are looking for?
I suggest you don't go looking for it at PES!

They are not bread heads driven by making lots of money by selling stuff, and they can sell all they make, so if you are expecting them to "serve you", think again. If you don't like it, frown at their web site and go elsewhere, its no skin off their nose....but they are nice people passionate about the products they make and how they are made. They do make some very well engineered bits, so if you want some of that stuff you may have to swallow your pride.

If they had a full time bod on the desk, who was polite and customer facing, you would probably feel happy every time you called, but they don't........ so don't expect to have smoke blown up your Ar$£ by the guy (or gel) on the tools.
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Re: A kicker that actually folds away?

Post by crankbuster » Sat Jun 13, 2020 10:30 am

You can see the BSA designed folding kicker in my video here:
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Re: A kicker that actually folds away?

Post by SteveS » Sun Jun 14, 2020 9:54 am

Hi crankbuster

Which kick start lever is in your clip? It looks a bit like the Triumph T160 type
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Re: A kicker that actually folds away?

Post by crankbuster » Sun Jun 14, 2020 11:01 am

It's the P92 one, similar to the T160, but the spring and ball is in the lever rather than in the boss.

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