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Classic dirtbike show,

Post by johnq » Wed Feb 01, 2017 12:10 pm

Thinking of going down on the 19th if anyone preston area wants to join me, early start, :thumb

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Re: Classic dirtbike show,

Post by minetymenace » Wed Feb 01, 2017 2:46 pm

Going to move this to "Int BSA Rally and other meetings "...because I can :roll:
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Re: Classic dirtbike show,

Post by johnq » Wed Feb 01, 2017 4:00 pm

Thanks, and for the linky thing :thumb
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Re: Classic dirtbike show,

Post by Chris Pellett » Thu Feb 02, 2017 9:10 pm

I'm hoping to visit on the Saturday.
Maybe share transport if anyone wants a lift from East Sussex

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Re: Classic dirtbike show,

Post by Mark Cook » Mon Feb 06, 2017 7:52 pm

Don't forget we'll be there too. Just remember when we are buried in people it's not a good time to chat. Would love to speak with you all, just try and catch us when we are twiddling our thumbs :thumb
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Re: Classic dirtbike show,

Post by LONGSTROKE » Mon Feb 20, 2017 10:25 am

Went to the show at the weekend and it was a CCM fest ccmicon . Drooled over Joe Maxwell's 72/73 frames and bikes :thumb and there was someone there who's making 78 rolling chassis's, The quality of the frames are just superb and he's got tanks and seats made, side panels moulded and is casting hubs and forks I believe. Its my birthday coming up so will start dropping the kids a few hints. Have an engine on the shelf that will fit into it just right. Apparently he's only about 25 miles away so I'm planning a visit :smile:

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Re: Classic dirtbike show,

Post by Mark Cook » Mon Feb 20, 2017 1:55 pm

Yes we came across some very naughty people.
CCM Britain is a trade Mark of Performance Engineering Services Ltd. As well as Intellectual property.
The "Clews Stroka" project we started many years ago is also the property of Performance Engineering Services and trade Marked. There is only the one bike that we produced to celebrate Alan Clews visions and Mike Barnes efforts in riding the said bike. All the 70's bikes either morphed into CCM's as they were rebranded or lost due to being broken for parts.

We've no problem with people doing there own thing as long as it's clear that it's their work and their name is on it so It can not be passed off as ours. Be it now or later.

When we revisit parts to enable 70's bikes to be maintained we often correct small oversights or correct problems that were not economic to resolve at the time. This makes it very easy for us to spot our work being copied.
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Re: Classic dirtbike show,

Post by midgie » Mon Feb 20, 2017 7:47 pm

LONGSTROKE wrote:Went to the show at the weekend and it was a CCM fest ccmicon . Drooled over Joe Maxwell's 72/73 frames and bikes :thumb and there was someone there who's making 78 rolling chassis's, The quality of the frames are just superb and he's got tanks and seats made, side panels moulded and is casting hubs and forks I believe. Its my birthday coming up so will start dropping the kids a few hints. Have an engine on the shelf that will fit into it just right. Apparently he's only about 25 miles away so I'm planning a visit :smile:
I had a good look at that 78 frame, and have to agree with you there. the workmanship on that is superb and I have seen more than my fair share in my time.

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Re: Classic dirtbike show,

Post by LONGSTROKE » Mon Feb 20, 2017 9:05 pm

Yes, I forgot to say I also saw a couple of frames on your stand Mark. There were also a splattering of CCM's throughout the 3 Halls. Was that a H*nda JBR frame on your stand ? I thought someone else had already started reproducing them - like I said a real CCM fest ccmicon As far as I remember the Clews stroker's were built in 71 from the remaining BSA works frames that were never used when the BSA works team was disbanded. I never even mentioned Clews Stroka in my 1st post on the show anyway so its completely irrelevant. :???: The 78 rolling chassis that caught my eye was a real nice piece of work and its good to see someone having a go with these sort of projects. Apart from the early 72/ 73 bikes the 78 is the only other CCM I've ever lusted after(is that a bit strong :!: :grin: ) Time for garage sale and to check the ISA's I can see a potential project starting to take shape :grin: If I do I'll start a project post. Anyway Mark your work is well known and I don't think anyone will confuse it with yours. When I can transfer the photo's i took at the show from my phone to the computer I'll post a few - where's those pesky kids when you want them :smile:

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Re: Classic dirtbike show,

Post by Mark Cook » Mon Feb 20, 2017 10:28 pm

I was just generalising, the comments were not directly aimed at anyone. As far as I know I made the first replacement JBR frame for a chap in Dorset many years ago. At least two were made if I recall. One we had for a very long time hanging in the rafters. A kit of bits were purchased from me eventually, then promptly copied! I guess I don't do marketing as I thought there was no demand. Over the years we have tooled up for all years as replacements were made to repair damaged and dangerous bikes. We've never really aimed at the build your own cloan market.
Much of our tooling, patterns and moulds cost so much to produce I'll never live long enough to cover the cost of production. It's so much easier to steal an image once someone has tidied it up.
I started making CCM parts for Tom Becket, but wanted low quality items made as he said that they were rubbish to start with and it would be foolish and a waist of money to improve them. Once Tom moved on to greener pastures with bigger money, I took up the challenge to keep them running.
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Re: Classic dirtbike show,

Post by LONGSTROKE » Sat Feb 25, 2017 6:16 pm

It would appear the photo's of the new 78 CCM I took at the show are in too big a format :!: Any one else take some that could be loaded on here?

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Re: Classic dirtbike show,

Post by Mark Cook » Sat Feb 25, 2017 7:24 pm

Doesn't Rickard have a thing for resizing them?
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Re: Classic dirtbike show,

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Re: Classic dirtbike show,

Post by LONGSTROKE » Sun Feb 26, 2017 5:09 pm

That disgusted with Englands performance so far against Italy that I'm going to have another go at loading some photo's of the new 78 CCM that was at the Classic off road show! Might have a garage sale to get some money together to buy one ;-)
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Re: Classic dirtbike show,

Post by beat » Sun Feb 26, 2017 7:12 pm

LONGSTROKE wrote:Might have a garage sale to get some money together to buy one
good idea, - but it all depends what is inside your garage.....

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Re: Classic dirtbike show,

Post by midgie » Sun Feb 26, 2017 8:39 pm

my mk1 escort twincam lives in mine, and that wouldn't be for sale!

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Re: Classic dirtbike show,

Post by LONGSTROKE » Sun Feb 26, 2017 9:17 pm

Don't know why people still run old Fords, these days you can go into a main dealer and walk out with a brand new one for £100 down and they are very comfortable with decent sound systems, air conditioning, electric windows and 3, 5 10 year guarantee's against rust etc. And you wouldn't get people staring at you all the time :lol:

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Re: Classic dirtbike show,

Post by midgie » Sun Feb 26, 2017 9:34 pm

LONGSTROKE wrote:Don't know why people still run old Fords, these days you can go into a main dealer and walk out with a brand new one for £100 down and they are very comfortable with decent sound systems, air conditioning, electric windows and 3, 5 10 year guarantee's against rust etc. And you wouldn't get people staring at you all the time :lol:
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Re: Classic dirtbike show,

Post by LONGSTROKE » Sun Feb 26, 2017 10:00 pm

I just don't know why people run old bangers when new cars are so cheap. ;-) I'm off to bed <220

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Re: Classic dirtbike show,

Post by LONGSTROKE » Sun Feb 26, 2017 10:31 pm

beat wrote:
LONGSTROKE wrote:Might have a garage sale to get some money together to buy one
good idea, - but it all depends what is inside your garage.....

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Only a load of old junk Beat according to my wife and kids :roll: If only they new ;-)

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Re: Classic dirtbike show,

Post by chucksy » Sun Feb 26, 2017 10:36 pm

any contact details for the 78 builder. What was the asking price.

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Re: Classic dirtbike show,

Post by LONGSTROKE » Sun Feb 26, 2017 10:41 pm

So who else went to the show? What did you think of it?

I thought it was not so good this year and is going down hill. No where near as many bikes on show as past years, more and more modern stuff creeping in, Some sellers had what looked liked remnants of a modern bike breakers yard and the outside jumble area was poor. It was obvious some of the previous classic jumblers and regular show goers stayed away this year which was a shame. A pity because the venue is quite good and as plenty of potential but perhaps its a sign of the times with classic off road sport especially scrambles no longer as popular as it once was :cry:

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Re: Classic dirtbike show,

Post by AJ CCM » Sun Feb 26, 2017 10:45 pm

I Just wonder how many of Mark Cook's Parts are on that CCM
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Re: Classic dirtbike show,

Post by midgie » Sun Feb 26, 2017 10:55 pm

i spoke to the guy, and hes making all of the parts but the frame.

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Re: Classic dirtbike show,

Post by LONGSTROKE » Sun Feb 26, 2017 11:02 pm

Spoke to him at Telford and by all accounts - None. He's casting the correct sliders, in process of casting hubs, forming the side panels and front castrol no plate, making the seat base and foam(buying in the cover), had the frame made, etc. Fair play to him he's not playing at it. :cool: There are lots of people manufacturing CCM related parts :thumb

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Re: Classic dirtbike show,

Post by LONGSTROKE » Sun Feb 26, 2017 11:36 pm

chucksy wrote:any contact details for the 78 builder. What was the asking price.
The details I have are RKM Motorcycles, email - bsa441@hotmail.co.uk

Don't know how much they'll be but I'm going to see him next week so will post some more photo's and details.

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Re: Classic dirtbike show,

Post by chucksy » Mon Feb 27, 2017 12:49 pm

cheers ,very interesting project,might breath some life back into twinshocks.

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Re: Classic dirtbike show,

Post by Mark Cook » Tue Feb 28, 2017 10:10 am

We been making all the 78 CCM parts for years, tried tested and they fit the original bikes. They don't sell in quantities to make it worth while doing.

The last couple of years we've had a made rush on 78 parts, two or three items a year. We only do it to keep the history alive.

Another thing to remember is that we own the Trade Mark, anyone going commercial without our written permission will find themselves in court.

We had set of our bit's copied once before, to start up a business against us. It won't happen again so easily. Some of our tooling was so expensive to produce I won't live long enough to break even on it. But you can't offer half a job and say sort it yourself for the rest. That's just bad manners.
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Re: Classic dirtbike show,

Post by LONGSTROKE » Mon Mar 13, 2017 11:01 pm

Mark Cook wrote:Another thing to remember is that we own the Trade Mark, anyone going commercial without our written permission will find themselves in court.
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So what your saying Mark is that no one can make anything resembling CCM bits and pieces?

Must say I'm a little disappointed because I was getting quite serious for building a 78 CCM replica or can you supply me a frame, swingarm, tank, seat, air box and side panels? I've got the rest.

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Post by minetymenace » Tue Mar 14, 2017 10:48 am

LONGSTROKE wrote:So what your saying Mark is that no one can make anything resembling CCM bits and pieces?
I'm no legal eagle, but Trade Mark and copyright are different things, commercial use of the Trade Mark or plagiarising brand identity is what Mark is on about I think, but this is not the place to discuss stuff like this as it will no doubt end in ultra-violence, speak to each other before going into print please....

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